Mark Van
Stone,
5-27-2008
Forgive
my long winded response. I got rolling
and felt it would be worth
going into some detail, even as I prepare for a short trip to Mexico. If you have additional
questions or feel I missed one of your points, please
let me know. I appreciate our dialogue
on this important topic. I’m going to Izapa tomorrow.
The two-day difference. The main
proponent of the 584285 correlation was Floyd
Lounsbury. His correlation
resulted in the 13-baktun cycle
end date falling
on December 23, 2012. Many
scholars, including
Coe and Schele, have used Lounsbury’s
correlation, apparently
out of deference but without noting the peculiarities
of his argument, which are clear to see in his
definitive 1983 and 1992 articles on the topic.
His argument contains three insurmountable
problems. First, he looks
for a precise morning star Venus rising to occur on the correct predicted date
in the Venus tables. As Tedlock and Carlson
and the Brickers note, the Venus cycle
varies from between 580 to 588 days — sometimes
even from cycle to
cycle.
This means that the observational astronomical vagaries cannot support his two-day
variation from the 584283 correlation.
Second, when examining the average mean variation between
the predictive framework and the observed reality, there will be 5.2 days of
accumulated error at the end of a Venus Round period of 104 haab.
Corrections to the table are assumed to have occurred. Lounsbury
assumes that the corrections made occurred at the end of a Round, but we don’t
know at what point in the Venus Round the Maya may have been adjusting for the
accumulating discrepancies – it may very well have occurred mid-cycle, or at
some other location that was numerically expedient, which would throw Lounsbury’s tables off.
Lounsbury performed a similar
analysis, with similar
assumptions, in his 1992 paper, and here the careful
reader will
observe the application of a double
standard in how he processed the date, as follows.
Tables that are intended to reveal
which of the two correlations most accurately
predicts Venus morning star risings must agree on the number of days beyond
inferior conjunction on which Venus actually
appears as morning
star in the east. The usual interval
is 4 days, although this can vary by a day or
two. The problem is that in one table
Lounsbury assumes the date of precise inferior conjunction
is the target date, and in another table he
assumes that inferior conjunction +4 is to be the target. This duplicitous
application of the criteria and the data is,
of course, unscientific. When the tables are
corrected – it is the 584283 that is actually
indicated as most precise!!! Lounsbury actually
sort of indirectly acknowledges
this in his summational sentences, but that the truth was
severely muted is quite apparent to any
discerning reader. Please read my analysis
at http://www.alignment2012.com/fap9.html.
The correlation issue was
the subject of my studies in the early 1990s and were published
in my 1994 book Tzolkin (Borderlands).
Available here: http://www.alignment2012.com/ACCESS%20Tzolkin%20HERE.html
Now, the third problem is the most difficult for Lounsbury’s support for the 584285 / Dec 23 end date. This
criterion is hugely ignored by those that propose various correlations, yet it
looms as the most definitive test for any proposed correlation. From the
various so-called Creation Texts, we know that 13.0.0.0.0 is always coordinated
with the tzolkin date 4 Ahau.
Thus, any occurrence of 13.0.0.0.0 (also sometimes written 0.0.0.0.0) must fall
on 4 Ahau. If Dec 23, 2012 is 13.0.0.0.0 then it must also be 4 Ahau in the 260-day tzolkin. The tzolkin count that is still followed in the highlands of Guatemala
is an unbroken daycount that extends back to the
Classic Period, and beyond. The inherent stability and ceremonial continuity of
the 260-day count, especially in traditional daykeeper
communities in highland Guatemala,
is noted and argued by Barbara Tedlock, Dennis Tedlock, and others. It is a mistaken notion that the
260-day count followed among the Quiché, Ixil, and
other highland groups is discontinuous with the Classic Period tzolkin daycount, for many very
good rational reasons. People often confuse shifting year-bearers, New Year’s
day placements, and so on, as meaning “the calendar” became degraded and confused. But
these secondary characteristics do not effect the
continuity of the underlying 260-day count.
What this means is that the daycount
followed today, which we can confirm very simply, will supply a very
significant test of any proposed correlation. Quite simply: does counting
forward to the end of 2012 with this daycount allow
for a coordination of the day 4 Ahau (4 Hunahpu in Quiche) with Dec 21, 2012, or with Dec 23, 2012? The answer is: It supports Dec 21, 2012. Dennis Tedlock pointed this out, indicating that Lounsbury’s daycount was two-days
off from the modern ethnographic evidence. Lounsbury’s response
is that his 285 correlation is valid, but that the Maya – nay, all Mesoamerican
calendar priests - must have successfully achieved a simultaneous 2-day shift
in their sacred count just prior to the conquest – thus explaining the three
historical native dates we have documented during the conquest for Yucatan,
Central Mexico, and Guatemala – all of which indicate the 584283 correlation. So …. this means that, even with the extremely improbable
occurrence which Lounsbury proposes in order to
preserve his 285 argument, the end date would still fall on Dec 21, 2012. Within his adjusted theory, all
post-Conquest dates would effectively correlate with the 584283. So, why then
does the Dec 23 continue to have currency? Simply because Coe and Schele have
repeated it, and uncritical writers repeat it.
I’ve also examined the correlation proposed by Kelley, Wells
and others. They all fail the test. Only
the 584283 satisfies all of the criteria.
Now, onto the zenith info in 3114 BC.
By the 584283, 0.0.0.0.0 would fall on August 11 in the Gregorian. This was the
last day of the previous 13-baktun cycle. The first day of the current
13-baktun cycle falls on August 12. The precise solar zenith passage at the
latitude of Izapa is August 13. For naked eye
astronomers, it is virtually impossible to distinguish any difference between
the sun’s declination at high noon on August 11 versus
August 12 versus August 13 – even with the kind of gnomons that are in Izapa Group B. This is what I call a meaningless criterion
of misplaced precision. It is similar to the flaw in Lounsbury’s
argument – assuming a degree of precision that isn’t even supported in the
vagaries of the astronomy under consideration.
So, in short, we can have the first day of the 13-baktun
cycle intentionally placed on a solar zenith passage at the 15 degree north
latitude, and also have an intentional placement of the 13-baktun cycle’s end
date on a December solstice. A one-day variation only disqualifies this
possibility if we are applying a level of modern scientific precision that is
irrelevant to the situation of ancient naked-eye skywatching.
It is easy to apply logic and dismiss than it is to contemplate and understand
the mercurial motivations and goals of the early calendar makers and
astronomers by embracing an interdisciplinary synthesis of the set and setting
of their endeavors.
I have long suspected that the shifting relationship between
sidereal and tropical astronomy, framed via the zenith passage and solstice
dates, may provide a clue as to how the Maya were tracking precession. It now
appears the Michael John Grofe, in his Un of Cal PhD thesis, has taken up this
approach in understanding the precession cosmology embedded in the serpent
sequence distance numbers in the Dresden Codex. A factor that he embraced in
his analysis is the latitude specific sun-Pleiades-zenith relationships I
identified in my book. This is all part of a the
cutting edge of breakthrough, so is still in process, but it does seem that the
Classic Period Maya were aware of precession. Furthermore, this knowledge seems
embedded in the very architecture of the Long Count meaning that precessional knowledge must have been present when the Long
Count was inaugurated
and carved in stone – at least as long ago as the first century
BC (when the earliest Long Count monuments are dated).
All of this segues into my work at Izapa.
I suppose I’d prefer that was another discussion, but it so germane to the
astronomical features involved in the much misunderstood “galactic alignment”
of era-2012 that I should say a few things. First, yes, it is true that “the
sun” aligns with the Sagittarian Milky Way-ecliptic cross once every year in any era. But the
important specifier is that it is the DECEMBER SOLSTICE
sun that shifts with precession and aligns with the Sagittarian Milky
Way-ecliptic cross (at the southern terminus of the dark rift within the
visible, and symbolically powerful, nuclear bulge of the Galactic Center) in
era-2012. By “era-2012” I refer to the modern scientific calculation of this
alignment made by European astronomer Jean Meeus,
allowing for the 36-year precessional shifting of the
½ degree diameter of the sun. This is not to insinuate by any means that the
Maya were conceiving of this alignment with the same terminology and concepts,
as Aveni has assumed and utilized as the basis of his critique of my work. This
is just a way we can rationally and factually talk about the process and the astronomical
features involved in the alignment.
We know that the Maya consider each day to have its “face.”
The December solstice, and the other seasonal
quarters, would have been of interest to early
Maya astronomers and calendar makers. In fact, using Edmonson’s
data in The Book of The Year (1988),
it seems likely
that the earliest year-bearer system was a
Type I system, in which the year bearers were Ahau – Chicchan – Oc – Men. The conceptual
polar opposition of Chicchan
(serpent) and Men (Eagle) is noteworthy,
considering the ubiquitous non-dual mythology
around the Plumed Serpent imagery. Most
significantly, in this system Ahau would be the senior
year bearer. The temporal structure
of the Maya tzolkin-haab calendars contain a
spatial corollary,
such that the four year bearers refer to directions as well
as the four yearly stations (the two equinoxes
and two solstices). The quadripartite cosmogram of equinoxes and solstices,
and the primacy of the December solstice, is
indicated for some Mixe-Zoque groups and the Tzutujil,
as I noted in my book with citations to the pertinent academic studies. The
turnabout of the year at the December solstice
also follows
logically
from any skywatching group observing the sun’s
southward and northward horizon dawnings throughout
the year. My point is that the December
solstice is embedded on a deep level
of Maya cosmology, with connections to the Ahau daysign and cycle
endings in calendrical
accountings. The original conceptual
arrangement of this scheme was clearly
compromised as new year-bearer systems and haab
positions were adopted, but it lies at the
root of the conceptual geomantic system. These
considerations suggest relationships between
mythological
deities (One Hunahpu), calendrical days (Ahau),
and seasonal quarters (December solstice).
However, none of these arguments are really necessary, and
are only indirectly related to the arguments that are central to my work on the
precessional basis of the Long Count, which revolves
around the ballcourt at Izapa
pointing to the dawning December solstice sun.
A thorough understanding of the archaeoastronomy,
iconography, and archaeological orientations at Izapa
is necessary. A central premise of my work follows Michael Coe’s statement that
the Izapan civilization was instrumental in the
development of the Long Count. Thus, the primary site of the Izapan civilization, Izapa,
becomes - quite rationally -
a focus. We may then examine the archaeoastronomy
at the site and deduce that the concepts and preoccupations revealed in that
analysis possibly reflect the ideation that went into the Long Count. The
integrative synthesis that I offer for Izapa is not
glimpsed in the BYU work at the site. Norman’s
thesis on the astronomy at Izapa didn’t even mention the
ballcourt; neither did Guernsey-Kappleman’s
recent book on the site – both oversights being unfortunate and astounding.
Unfortunate because the ballcourt’s alignment with
the December solstice sunrise horizon is an important key to the iconography
preserved on the ballcourt’s monuments. Astounding because the solstice sunrise alignment can be easily
measured and viewed first hand.
As one might expect, the situation at Izapa
in relation to neighboring sites and the flow of Mesoamerican history
experienced by the site complexify the reconstruction
of the cosmology at Izapa. I’ve addressed and
explored many of these complexities, and have also addressed misunderstandings
and critiques. My simplified statements that often are given to the press are
simply that – the necessary simplifications of a complicated situation,
designed for novice audiences and five-second sound bytes. I’m convinced that
most of my detractors – especially scholars – are only catching glimpses of my
work through these high profile media clips. If we look seriously at the
implications of the ballcourt’s alignment with the
December solstice sunrise, we are drawn to interpreting the throne and other
monuments on the west end of the ballcourt with the
aid of this orientational clue. There are many
indications at Izapa that other carvings reflect sky features,
and served to track solar movements – thus there is a pattern and precedent at
the site that supports making this kind of connection. The astro-symbolism
at Izapa is internally consistent, and yet is
supported by a wider spectrum of known connections between myth and astronomy,
notably in the Classic Period Starry Deer Crocodile symbolism and in the Popol Vuh.
All
of this, as a whole, but especially
at Izapa, can be summed up as follows:
The astronomical features that are involved
in the era-2012 galactic alignment
are prominently present in the Maya Creation
mythology, ballgame
symbolism, and on the carved monuments of Izapa. This either means something or is a complete
coincidence. Perhaps my interpretations cannot be proven with the same level
of precision that math implies. I am a
supporter of MacLeod’s 3-11 Pik formula,
but I submit that finding the 71.15 year interval
still
requires a leap of interpretation to postulate
that it indicates precessional knowledge.
I believe this is a reasonable
leap; the leap
of interpretation that I invite scholars to
make with my integrative synthesis at Izapa is no less
likely. It
seems however, that numbers convey a false
sense of definitive precision or infallibility,
whereas for some reason using astronomical
horizon and sky alignments to interpret carved
monuments that face those alignments is easily
dismissed as wishful thinking – even when
those interpretations are supported by a wider spectrum of meaningful
and established relationships.
This may indeed seem so to those who have not studied the spectrum of supportive evidence - direct,
indirect, and contextual. Similarly,
this route of verification is the only way
that MacLeod’s interpretation could likewise
be rendered acceptable/possible/likely.
Best wishes,
John Major Jenkins
P.S.1:
Of possible interest: http://www.alignment2012.com/Takalik48.html
(see exchange with David Stuart linked at the end).
P.S.2:
You may have seen my response to Milbrath (and
Aveni) that was published in the March issue
of the Institute of Maya
Studies newsletter
(see the 2 attached pdf
pages if you haven’t). That piece originally
had a part 2 section but was excised for space reasons. I paste it below
as it suggests a possible conceptual
relationship that allows
both the zenith zero date and the solstice end
date to be intentional.
Part II.
Susan Milbrath brought
up an interesting observation that I believe
results in a useful,
and unavoidable, framing of the 2012 topic. It
leads to yet another rational
perspective that argues for the 2012 end-date being intentionally
placed. In the December issue of the Institute
of Maya Studies newsletter, Milbrath pointed out that the zero date (in 3114 BC) and the
end date (in 2012 AD) both fall
on astronomically
interesting dates – the zenith passage day at 15° N latitude
and a December solstice. If all
cycle endings exhibit like-in-kind
events, what could be the connection between
these two dates? Here is what I believe it is:
The end of the previous 13-Baktun cycle and the end of the current 13-baktun cycle both locate the sun in the center of a cosmic
cross. As Karl Taube
and others have shown, in Maya symbolism
crosses signify “cosmic centers” and “birth places.”
The zenith cross was recognized by the Chortí Maya
and has been used by the Yucatec Maya in their
creation myth ceremonies. It was associated with the Milky
Way-ecliptic cross in Gemini that passes
through the zenith in late July.
The cross associated with the current 13-baktun cycle
ending targets the southern terminus of the dark rift in the Milky
Way—a celestial
portal that represents a doorway to another
realm (the “Xibalba be”). Both
crosses target a hole. In the case of the
zenith cross, that hole is the Yucatec Maya’s U Hol Glorya, the Glory
Hole, which also
serves as a celestial
portal to another realm,
a kind of ceremonial birthing portal
reflected in the sky.
The most significant thing about this connection between
0.0.0.0.0 and 13.0.0.0.0 is that the sun, on both dates, is found in the middle
of a cross that denotes a “cosmic center.” In terms of the sidereal
astronomy, it may be significant that the two crosses are opposite each other
in the sky—both are crosses formed by the place
where the Milky Way crosses over the ecliptic.
Perhaps a kind of alpha and omega of time is
suggested in this fact – the cross at the beginning of the era opposes the
cross at the end of the era. This idea
is speculative, and we should
not think that the zenith’s association with a cross is time dependent (i.e.,
only valid
when the Milky Way-ecliptic
cross in Gemini passes through the zenith in late
July).
Why? Because the zenith is the central,
fifth, direction in the quincunx cosmogram that is a
fundamental space-time model
of Mesoamerican cosmology. The zenith is
conceptually
the center of a directional cross. When the
sun aligns with the zenith, it occupies the
center of this cross.
Some investigators may argue that the ancient Maya perhaps
made an intentional calculation
only to locate
a zenith passage date in the distant past and a solstice
date in the distant future, ignoring the background cross that identifies the
meaningful like-in-kind
event. However, the cross as a cosmic center symbol
is perfectly appropriate to be utilized
in coordination with the solar rebirthing that
is expected to happen at the end of each World
Age cycle.
If we do not ignore this meaningful
conceptual implication
of the astronomy, then we must accept that the 2012 cycle
ending was not only intended to target a solstice,
but a solstice in conjunction with the Milky
Way-ecliptic cross. This is an admission that
a future precessional calculation
must have been made when the Long Count was inaugurated over two thousand years
ago. If we acknowledge this striking
coordination of astronomy and meaningful
eschatological
symbolism, but choose to dismiss it as a
coincidence (in the same way that some believe
the 2012 end date’s solstice placement
is a total coincidence), then we must add it
to the growing pile of contextual
evidence that is dismissed as coincidence. The larger
this pile gets, the more we can suspect that
we have been too quick to lean on dismissal
and coincidence, and are trying too hard to ignore the evidence.